Paul Collins wanted to say something. He got prime time. He, with the help of the journos, painted a popular old predjudice all over what was really said by what he percieves to be "the other side". That other side are unthinking and extreme...? There are, after all, only two ways to go - two neat camps and two subjects: Science and Religion . No wonder the ABC never adjudicates a decent debate in prime time any more . Surely John Cleary and Robin Williams still believe in the Philosophy of Science as some sort of legitimate hybrid . Can't have too many unclear categories if you are going to categorize ideas and groups can you? At ABCChurch its very important to get things very, very clear.