I'm sure John Cleary is making a great contribution to keeping the road toll down by keeping Sunday nights as Cathy said "lively and stimulating" like tonight".Can't go to sleep at the wheel when his guests get going . Can't even go to bed ! I'm up typing when i should be there.

Monism is for for the myopic
Don't know how other listeners felt, but I thought David Tribe's lumbering logomachy provided the perfect example of the ageing lefties legacy -bland blank empty and repetitive rhetoric - a lot of conjecture, but it has gone nowhere practically in the last 40 years.

Thesis based arguments are an increasingly irrelevant parlour game when we stop being children and have them ourselves.

Answers from the left over the last 40yrs haven't workedPleasant discourse, education and indulgence is fine in its place . Whats woken us up is that all that fine 60's talk about education and pleasant rationalisation therapy doesn't stop the hellish tide of dissonance occurring in our own households, let alone the wider community . Solzetnitzens first words to the west about the huge political issue being children( not leftism) remind us to get on with lifes greatest challenges Something that works for family life is the proper target for mature intellectuals and their political concerns .

As you well put to David , mature listeners want not tired old 60's greek avoidance therapy on questions of evil - they want practical targets and answers.
Something that works
Getting rid of fundamentalism is, it as always, a form of quick fix for those who do not want to get closely involved .
Passion about whats right is central, not perpheral to sorting this issue for all Austrailans and if we are to take Bernard shaw seriously, all those who have the best of intentions ( incl politicians and media people)
are at risk from the so called " disease". Call it fanatiscm. we share it, not despair of it
The retreat of the non scientists to some half baked worship of systems that "create themselves by chance" is not effective either because the forced universality of one formaule that seems to say a "deterministic force for all things" means we don't have any choices anyway .No ABC, no dialogue,no tension. .
Thesis's are fine till they undermine their own arguments and then where do you go? -no answers.

Ultimately if we stand back ? Our place in this world should be one of humility We know more than He/She? Is it not arrogance that says HE can't, won't and doesn't . The evidence is someone did something.

As many listeners said - when all the talks over, people tend to believe someone must have made this stuff. The logic of the absent watchmaker is intellectually cute for a few moments, but goes nowhere and proves little - bit like too much talk often does.
As we say to the comfortable bookeeping accountants of our time - watch out for the externalities -they are out there somewhere!